Sep 6, 2012

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Scalia & Garner v. Posner, Rounds VII and VIII


Following the last two volleys in this bout, Judge Posner offered some remarks to David Lat, and Bryan Garner wrote a post directly responding to Judge Posner’s blistering critique.

First, Posner had this to say to ATL:

There is no personal animosity between Justice Scalia and me, or at least not on my side — I haven’t seen him for five or six years (we were at a conference on national security in Ottawa about that long ago). As you point out, we were colleagues in the 1970s at the U. of C. law school before we both became judges. I think I’ve described him in print as the most influential Supreme Court Justice in the period since his appointment, and I certainly adhere to that view.

I suppose it’s unusual for a lower court judge to criticize judicial or extra-judicial work by a Supreme Court Justice in public; but recall that Judge Wilkinson wrote a very critical law review article about Justice Scalia’s opinion in the Heller case. (I wrote a critical article about the opinion, as well, for the New Republic.) It’s probably not an accident that both Judge Wilkinson and I are former academics, to whom disagreement in print, without personal animosity having engendered it, comes naturally.

Posner answer certainly leaves open the impression that Scalia harbors animosity towards Posner. As I noted in my post about an earlier round, after Heller, Scalia ducked out of a FedSoc debate with Judge Posner. That would’ve been a nice time to see him 4 years ago. To Posner’s second point, most of what he does is sui generis. There is no other federal judge who does what he does. Certainly Wilkinson wrote that one article, but it was not pointed directly against Scalia–as was Posner’s–but rather attacked Scalia’s jurisprudence of originalism. Very different beasts.

As a plebe in academia, I think it is safe for me to say that this type of takedown is not normal. In fact, even if personal animosity did not cause the review, it will almost result in personal animosity from those attacked.

And that brings us to the next slap in this bout. Garner writes back in this post at LawProse.

In his response, Whelan states that Scalia and Garner merely used cases as examples of the canons of construction, rather than exemplars:

Posner instead faults Scalia and Garner for not trotting down the irrelevant and confused pathways that Posner pursues. Posner blames them for not quoting a statement that Posner speculates may offer insight into a supposed motivation behind the decision. He also thinks it noteworthy that the opinion “referred, contrary to a Scalia-Garner Diktat, to the statute’s legislative history.” (This is yet another example of Posner’s confusing the reader into thinking that Scalia and Garner offer the cases as “exemplars … of textual originalism” generally, rather than as illustrations of specific canons.)

To the extent that Whelan is correct, and that Scalia and Garner merely cite portions of cases as illustrations of a textualist canon, than Posner is absolutely wrong. If Scalia and Garner cite these cases without any kind of caveat, then Posner’s attack is somewhat apt.

Garner suggests that Whelan is correct:

 Most of Judge Posner’s criticisms of our research were founded on the assertion that the cases cited used, in their rationales, more than the single canon being illustrated. That would be a telling criticism if the purpose of the cases had been to show the authoritativeness of the canon. But that was not the purpose. In choosing cases, we wanted examples that (1) contained lively problems that could be readily explained without bogging down readers, and (2) involved discrete textual points. We were looking for interesting issues that would illustrate good textualism—through our explanations. All the canons discussed are well established and have been frequently applied; the examples are there merely to show how each particular canon works. That a given court considered other factors besides the canon is quite irrelevant to our purpose. Indeed, it would be very hard to find examples in which a single canon was the sole basis for the decision.

Reading Law is a normative, prescriptive book, as we’re at some pains to emphasize on page 9: “Our approach is unapologetically normative, prescribing what, in our view, courts ought to do with operative language.” So in citing examples, we were much more interested in the textual problems posed than in the solutions that courts provided. Instead, we explained our solutions, often noting points of agreement and disagreement with the courts that actually decided the cases.

If Garner is correct about this, than Posner was absolutely off base. Posner wrote:

OMITTING CONTRARY evidence turns out to be Scalia and Garner’s favorite rhetorical device.

Garner responds in kind:

   Adding insult to distortion, Judge Posner claims that we “later retreat in the ambulance case, and their retreat is consistent with a pattern of equivocation exhibited throughout the book.” To the contrary, we do not retreat. And nuance is not equivocation. The assertion that we “retreat” is consistent with a pattern of distortion exhibited throughout his review.

This piece has just a slight flare of Scalia-rhetoric. I wonder if the Justice took some part in this response.

Garner also explores how he and Justice Scalia checked their facts. It seems quite thorough:

My coauthor and I knew that a book on textualism would be inimical—if not seriously threatening—to those who promote nontextual means of deciding cases in which a governing legal text is at issue. It would inevitably be attacked.
We therefore took precautions. Please bear with me as I say a word about them. Justice Scalia and I wrote the first drafts of the case explanations ourselves, and we tried to be unimpeachably accurate in them. Beginning more than a year before publication, I had four lawyer‑colleagues at LawProse—with 55 years of professional experience among them—verify the accuracy of every statement made about every case in the book. Meanwhile, both Justice Scalia and I reread many cases where either of us doubted what had been said about them.

Totally unrelated to claims of misrepresentation of precedents, Garner goes on to respond to a criticism of Heller that I think is apt–that Scalia relied on legislative history:

Judge Posner points to a supposed contradiction: that the book condemns the use of legislative history, yet “Scalia is doing legislative history when he looks for the original meaning of eighteenth-century constitutional provisions—as he did in his opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller.” Judge Posner knows very well that “legislative history” does not embrace what theHeller opinion used—the history of the times when the legislation (or constitutional provision) was adopted, including the understandings reflected in contemporaneous legislation and scholarly commentary. “Legislative history” means the floor debates, committee hearings, and committee reports of the legislature or convention that adopted or proposed the text in question. It was not the Court’s opinion in Heller but Justice Stevens’s dissent that used (and, we think, misread) the Second Amendment’s drafting history. Lawyers know the distinction, but Posner’s depiction of a contradiction where there is none, in a magazine directed to nonlawyers, preys on the unknowledgeable.

In Heller, where the key question was what the Second Amendment meant at the time of its ratification, Scalia spent quite a bit of time looking at post-enactment legislative history following the Civil War of the right to keep and bear arms. This history was more accurate for McDonald, not Heller. Stevens in dissent, in my estimation, correctly wrote:

“Although it gives short shrift to the drafting history of the Second Amendment the Court dwells at length on four other sources: the 17th-century English Bill of Rights; Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England; post enactment commentary on the Second Amendment; and post-Civil War legislative history. All of these sources shed only indirect light on the question before us, and in any event offer little support for the Court’s conclusion.”

Anyway, back to the bench slap at hand, let’s see if Posner offers an apology:

Edward Whelan has demanded that Judge Posner run a prominent retraction and apology. That would be gratifying, since reputations can be marred by such a high‑profile literary rampage. But I’m not holding my breath.

Judge Posner here may have jumped the shark.

Update: Whelan comments on Garner’s repost.
Before I turn to these examples, let me highlight that Bryan Garner yesterday posted online his own response to Posner, a response that soundly complains that Posner displays a “tendentious hostility,” that his review goes “seriously off the rails,” and that he commits multiple “blunders” that a “little fact-checking would have prevented.” (H/t How Appealing.) Garner’s critique is, I’m pleased to note, similar to mine (and Garner specifically praises my Part 2 and Part 3 posts for doing a “masterly job of demonstrating why the six [case] examples that Judge Posner assails … are entirely correct.”) There are some matters that Garner addresses that I had already been planning to get to, so I won’t let the unsurprising fact that we independently arrived at the same correct observations deter me from covering some of the same ground.
Update: Whelan responds again (and collects all his posts here).
It’s bad enough that the far more appropriate question is mine: “How many readers of Posner’s essay will do what I have done—read the opinions that he claims Scalia and Garner distort and discover that Posner is the one doing the distorting?” But the last clause of Posner’s question indicates that he somehow thinks that Scalia and Garner are trying to describe “how judges actually interpret legal texts.” In fact, their “approach is unapologetically normativeprescribing what, in our view, courts ought to do with operative language” (p. 9 (emphasis added). They are reacting against, and trying to remedy, the widespread judicial “neglect” of “established methods of judicial interpretation.” . . .
I have not attempted in these posts to provide an exhaustive account of Posner’s errors. I have instead focused on those errors that show that his most incendiary charge—that Scalia and Garner have misrepresented the cases they cite—is false and that his review is untrustworthy and, indeed, incompetent.
He doesn’t add much new to the debate, other than to invite Posner to respond.
As usual, I will be happy to respond to any substantive critique of my own posts and, if I determine that I have made any errors, to acknowledge them openly and correct them. I’ll note that Posner has his own blog available to defend himself (and to make appropriate corrections and apologies). Further, if he asks, I will post verbatim on Bench Memos any response he has to my posts.
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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Davis/1098494552 Russell Davis

    Dear Josh:
    While you may be a “plebe” in academia, all that may mean is that you’re more in touch with reality than the others in the nuthouse now unable to perceive reality at all; Posner seems to be one of those kind. Jury trial by one’s peers was established by those who, contra Posner & co, weren’t foolish enough to imagine that an egotistical bigot with a black robe was anything more than an egotistical bigot with a black robe, and so were quite UNwilling to let a man’s life hang in the balance in such utterly UNtrustworthy hands, and from the little I’ve read of nutjobs like Posner & the 9th Circus’s Reinhardt, it’s clear that they and similar corrupt lawless fascists (Warren, Brennan, Douglas, Marshall, etc.) would be an epitome of why one’s peers and NOT judges were uniquely qualified for accurate judicial discernment. Our evil, lawless, fascist nation’s barbaric cold-blooded psychotic murder of Terri Schiavo for her beyond despicable “husband” obscenity so he could have her killed for her money by which he could profit in mounting his slut-whore is a frightening illustration of this. And all these years later he and his vile lawyer are still laughing at the whole nation they wrapped around their little fingers because our judicial system is in ruins the Founders would have never imagined for the Christian Republic they once established, long ago abandoned for our present “secular democracy” fraud they’d have abominated as a certainly fatal obscenity. I may only have a BA in Music History but it’s clear I have a far better and more correct understanding of our nation’s laws and legal system than most SCOTUS injustices, the majority in the past fifty years deserving execution for their countless lawless fascist, treasonous felonies, which of course makes the Senate members manifest accomplices.
    Russ Davis
    PS
    I often read Ed Whelan’s “Bench Memos” at NRO and he referenced you. Good job.
    I regret that Catholics like Ed & Matt Franck constantly disregard how profoundly important the theological makeup of the 18th cenutry’s mileu really was, not the least in the jurisprudence fo the time, essentially causing a serious rewrite of history that mistakenly covers up/ignores the many and just Biblical and theological reasons for the exclusion of Catholics from positions of influence, for when they used “Christian” in their vocabularies they manifestly excluded papist theology and its salvation by works errors disregarding ultimate Biblical authority it disavowed for its own, rejecting the sufficiency of Scripture that was the Reformation’s hallmark and profoundly influential in western civilization.

  • Stephen

    Garner is the one who owes an
    apology. A little fact checking shows that his response to Posner’s synopsis of
    Commonwealth v. McCoy is disingenuous. Garner does in
    fact misread the case, just as Posner says, and for at least the second time. Worse,
    in citing language from the case in an
    attempt to prove that Posner’s assertions were “patently incorrect,”
    Garner misleadingly omits the parts of the opinion (the paragraphs immediately
    preceding and even including the very paragraph from which Garner cites) that
    completely substantiate Posner’s reading and undermine Garner’s. Perhaps his
    book should have been entitled “Unfair Reading”!

    Here is the statement by Posner with which Garner
    takes issue: “The opinion calls the entire expression ‘from any location into
    any occupied structure’ ambiguous: while ‘into’ implies that the shooter was
    outside, ‘from any location’ implies that he could be anywhere, and therefore
    inside.” That is an accurate and succinct paraphrase of what the court says. More
    specifically, the court first considers the word “into” and uses the dictionary
    to derive its “plain meaning” which the court says, “requires that the original
    location is outside of the destination.” In other words, Posner was correct
    when he said that according to the opinion “‘into’ implies that the shooter was
    outside.”

    Next, the court considers the phrase “from any location” and
    based on the dictionary definition of the word “any” concludes that: “the
    plain meaning of the phrase [when considered in isolation—that is, without reference
    to the word ‘into’] ‘from any location’ encompasses ‘every’ location the
    shooter could be occupying, including, necessarily, the interior of the
    occupied building.” Hence, Posner’s statement that according to the court “‘from
    any location’ implies that he could be anywhere, and therefore inside” was
    entirely accurate. It was not “patently incorrect” as Garner claims, nor was it
    a “blunder” or a “misrepresentation.”

    Regarding Posner’s statement that an ambiguity arose from
    the entire expression “from any location into any occupied structure,” he is
    once again correct. Here is what the court said regarding ambiguity, after defining
    “into” and “from any location” as explained above: “[I]t is clear that, given
    the plain, common sense meaning of both statutory phrases—‘from any location’
    and ‘into’—it would be difficult to give full logical effect to both. One must
    yield to the other in some measure. We do not think either party’s argument is
    so weak or implausible that the statute can be called unambiguous in this
    context.”

    In other words, the expression “from any location into any
    occupied structure” is ambiguous because the so-called plain meanings of “from
    any location” and “into” are inconsistent. The first implies that the shooter could
    be anywhere “including, necessarily, the interior of the occupied building [the
    court’s words, not Posner’s].” That’s exactly what Posner said. And it proves
    that the court did not decide the case on the basis of the dictionary
    definition of the word “into.” So Posner was right—and Garner/Scalia wrong—on
    that point as well.

    And so the Court was confronted with an ambiguity, which it
    went on to resolve by reference to various principles and considerations, such
    as that an interpretation should give “effect to all of the statute’s phrases” and
    should “not lead to an absurd result.” The court also pointed out that its
    preferred construction “squares with the Section’s title, which speaks of
    firing ‘into,’ without any location qualifier [such as, ‘from any location’].”
    Finally the court emphasized the statutory mandate that “where ambiguity exists
    [as the court had held it did, since it found the statute ambiguous, as
    explained above] . . . such language should be interpreted in the light most
    favorable to the accused [internal citation omitted].”

    And yet Garner has the audacity
    to say, “The court did not, as Judge Posner
    asserts, decide the case on other grounds. Perhaps he was mistakenly looking at
    the dissenting opinion. A little fact checking would have prevented this
    and other blunders in Judge Posner’s
    review.” I’m sorry but that’s just plain dishonesty.

  • Anruth Dailaigh

    I’ve read a lot of comments from Posner supporters. But (so far) not a single one has cracked a copy of Reading Law to see what was written in there and compared it to Posner’s criticisms. It’s dismaying to see lawyers leap to conclusions and base arguments on those conclusions without first looking at ALL the evidence. Perhaps if Posner had included page references (some of the things he cites are hundreds of pages apart) and supplied context (many, if not most, of his criticisms apply to unrelated topics), it would be easier to make the comparisons and to weigh whether words such as “applaud” and “revel” are hyperbole.

    • http://joshblackman.com/ Josh Blackman

      That is a fair point. Generally speaking, one of the reason why book reviews are so important is that I (and most lawyers) don’t have the time to read lengthy books, at least not right away. We rely on reviewers to give a fair assessment and summary–and the review often nudges us to actually read the book, or to skip it. You are right, Posner did not include page numbers, though I’m not sure if this would have been appropriate in TNR, as opposed to the law review. Because I haven’t read the book, I tried to couch all my comments in terms of, “If Posner is correct” or “If Garner is correct.” The best way to resolve this would be to read it for myself. Alas, I do not have time to do so now.

  • http://twitter.com/espinsegall Eric Segall

    Josh, you are doing a great service here. But let me just say that my best guess is that Judge Posner is so tired of the hypocrisy of Supreme Court Justices who claim that text and history decide cases (when we know they don’t) and Scalia is so defensive about that claim, that the real battle here is over legal realism not cannons of interpretation. And, on that battleground, Posner is equipped with nuclear weapons (Citizens United, the affirmative action cases, taking cases, etc.,) while Scalia is carrying a bow and arrow.

    • http://joshblackman.com/ Josh Blackman

      Eric. Thanks for your kind words. I suspect that you are right, and that Posner’s real beef is over realism/formalism (however you want to structure that divide). If his aim was to nuke originalism and textualism, he should have stopped his review at the portions that take apart Scalia’s philosophy. He did as much in his book “How Judges Think.” But–and assuming Garner and Whelan are correct–to the extent that Posner made false representations about what Scalia and Garner actually wrote, then Posner comes out looking foolish. Posner seemed to say that he felt the need to check Scalia and Garner’s citations. He should have anticipated that someone (like Whelan) would do the same about his work.

      Whelan now has a part 5 to his response, which I will get to shortly. http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/316221/richard-posner-s-badly-confused-attack-scaliagarner-part-5-ed-whelan

      • http://twitter.com/espinsegall Eric Segall

        I have not compared and contrasted in detail, but my guess is at the end of the day, the decisions described and explanations given will be susceptible to reasonable disagreement (which is probably the point Posner really wanted to make).

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