Corporations: Delaware’s New Competition: The Creeping Federalization of American Corporate Law
Saturday, Nov. 14
10:45 a.m. – 12:15 p.m.
State Room
- Prof. Stephen M. Bainbridge, William D. Warren Professor of Law, University of California, Los Angeles School of Law
- Mr. Cornish F. Hitchcock, Hitchcock Law Firm PLLC
- Mr. David A. Katz, Partner, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
- Prof. Roberta Romano, Oscar M. Ruebhausen Professor of Law and Director, Yale Law School Center for the Study of Corporate Law
- Moderator: Hon. Thomas M. Hardiman, U.S. Court of Appeals, Third Circuit
Corporations: Delaware’s New Competition: The Creeping Federalization of American Corporate Law
Saturday, Nov. 14 – Hayes Edwards and Joel G. Miller
10:45 a.m. – 12:15 p.m.
State Room
Moderator: Hon. Thomas M. Hardiman, U.S. Court of Appeals, Third Circuit
Prof. Stephen M. Bainbridge, University of California, Los Angeles School of Law
For last 200 yrs in US, corporations have been subject to state governance
Incorporation in one state does not preclude from doing business in another state
This results in competitive federalism, there is competition to attract the most number of corporations
Many regard this as a race to the bottom, by offering managers laws to enrich themselves at expense of investors
Others suggest the race is to minimize needed capital
Others deny that there is a race at all
Delaware has attracted many corporations
Delaware faces a new competitor in the federal government
Corporate governance remained in state control until 2002
Federal control and regulation has increased under Obama Admin
Substantial possibility that there will be permanent federal intrusion into corporate governance
The issues in play, then, are:
1 Say on pay
2 Shareholder access and ability to nominate directors
3 Mandates for majority voting
4 Creation of non-executive chairmen
5 Classified boards of directors
6 Compensation
Bottom line is the environment of horizontal competition between states is being replaced by vertical competition, primarily between the federal government and Delaware
As Fed more willing to intrude in this way, are we more likely to see more efficienct rules or less efficient rules that allow less free for companies
More after the jump.
Mr. Cornish F. Hitchcock, Hitchcock Law Firm, PLLC
I may be the designated heretic on the panel today.
My approach to these federal issues may be different
States moved to fill the gaps following decrease in federal regulation
The Fed gov’t has displaced state law in antitrust, IRC
I view state corporate law preeminent only as Congress allows
Delaware: has won the race, retired crown, and not given it back
Would you choose the current model if starting over?
Delaware has smaller population than 50 counties, yet has become the standard in this area
My goal here today is not to say that Del law is bad or should be replaced by fed statute,
But let’s look at it and see
The tension is that state government doesn’t want to adjust for fear of losing revenue, but in the shadow of the possibility that the fed government may institute a standard statute
More useful to look at issues on own merits and determine as whether appropriate under state or federal law, rather than assuming that state law is necessarily preferable
Mr. David A. Katz, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
-My difficulty with the current federal legislation is that it takes a step in the wrong direction
-It’s a reaction to the financial disaster, but it will hurt the ability of US companies to compete today
-Board of directors is responsible for oversight, and investors trust managers to work with capital
We’re moving toward a shareholder-centric approach
In the past there was the ability to change the board of directors, but investors didn’t have a voice in day-to-day decisions
Taking away the power of directors under new
SEC proposal allows shareholders to nominate directors for
Trying to micromanage will result in a short-term focus rather than a long-term focus
The financial crisis is at least partly due to the focus on quarterly profits and short-term interests
-The corporate system of the states allows corporations to choose, but the shareholders always have the option of replacing the board of directors
-SHs have always been able to replace directors, but what corporate governance movement wants is to give SHs corporate proxy statement, which would take away directors’ power over longer term to make necessary decisions. Micromanaging their decisions will create a short-term focus→ this is the problem w/ federal legislation.
-Intrusion of federal legislation is unwarranted and dangerous
Later proposals have softened, but still interfere to much
Further empowering shareholder activists will create short-term pressure and encourage making same bad decisions that led to current crisis
Federal standards will be too broad to account for identities of individual corporations
Prof. Roberta Romano, Yale Law School Center for the Study of Corporate Law
I think it’s not correct to think of Fed Gov’t and Delaware as competitors, but more of a question of what roles are
1 Improved incentives for Promoters:
-Someone issuing capital can compete better in a regime that investors prefer
-They will bear the cost of poor regimes
-If there are multiple regimes to choose from, they will choose the one that investors would prefer
2 Improved incentives for Regulators
-If we have more than one regulator, there is incentive to choose regulation that investors prefer
-States that get more investors can be assumed to have regimes that investors prefer
-The government less likely to know what investors want than what the investors themselves know
3 Innovation
Regulatory arbitrage helps in terms of experimentation and innovation
4 What state law looks like
There’s a great deal of conformity across the states without the government centralizing
Can’t get customization in a central, standardized system
State legislators can react more quickly to correct than Congress
How often has it happened that investors have replaced the board of directors? How well does this work in practice?
Prof. Stephen M. Bainbridge
Director Primacy
I start with the premise that the corporation is not a thing capable of being owned, but a network of contracts
We get a system in which the ability of shareholders to remove a director is not a requirement
The shareholder franchise as basis for legitimacy
The corporation is not a democracy
The idea that we have to have shareholders as able to control the corporation is flawed
Institutional investors attempting to fundamentally change the nature of governance fundamentally misunderstand their role
In some sense you can’t disentangle the federalism debate from the debate
It’s hard to remove directors, but I think that’s a good thing
Mr. Cornish F. Hitchcock
It is very difficult to remove the director.
It is very difficult for shareholders to do so, and they may even lack the power
If you want to do it, you have to run a slate and a lot of investors can’t do that
It’s not worth the time and investment
It’s difficult as a matter of law and practicality
Mr. David A. Katz
I think the bottom line is that shareholder access will turn into a special interest competition, which won’t cost people anything
It’s relatively easy to find support with the corporation if you have a good plan
There’s a real cost to have a proxy contest, but a limited number of them is a good thing
Empowering special interest groups will be a distraction and will take away from the longer-term perspective of the corporation
Prof. Roberta Romano
There have been several studies of hedgefund activism, and there has been success in electing
This is a cost issue about who’s going to bear the cost of a proxy fight
Electronic proxies could make it more efficient
It’s not bad to make people bear the costs of their proxy fights
-It’s good to make people spend their money in proxy fights
It’s good to have people have some financial stake in their efforts
**Best and worst of provisions in currently pending legislation
Prof. Stephen M. Bainbridge
I’m reminded that Chris Dodd is writing this new legislation, who wrote much of legislation that led to meltdown. This is Congress that Barney Frank is driving, who was guardian angel of Fannie and Freddie’s, who prevented meaningful reform in the past
I don’t trust the people who are running this legislation
I much more trust the people writing Delaware corporate law are much more reliable
Throwing together this hodgepodge of half-backed ideas that have been
-Anything that fundamentally empowers shareholders above where they are now is a bad idea
-Can organize by consensus, or authority
-Consensus does not work where stakeholders have different goals and access to information
-You need a board of directors that is cohesive and has equal interest and access to information
-Empowering shareholders limits power of directors
-Limiting the power of directors will make corporate decision making more cumbersome
Mr. Cornish F. Hitchcock
Provision in legislation would provide legal protection for SEC’s ability to enforce a rule on pay limits, golden parachutes. There are nits I could pick with most provisions on policy grounds, but I am in favor of them.
Mr. David A. Katz
I don’t like any of the provisions at all
-Shareholder advisory votes at the end of the day won’t be very meaningful. In the UK they have not had an impact. This dialogue goes on already and will not harm the system that much
-Mandating separation of chairman and CEO is one size fits all, but most boards work effectively according to their own needs
By mandating a single standard we’d be moving in the wrong direction
-“Independent directors” have lack of relationship and expertise to the corporation
-Limiting positive cross-polinization by preventing ability to be on multiple boards
-Increased legislation will limit leaders’ ability to focus on strategy and instead they’ll be focusing on meeting a legislative checklist
Prof. Roberta Romano
Worry about unintended consequences
-Example, incentive compensation increases following limits on cash compensation
I would feel more comfortable if already in state law or if they were optional