Federalist Society 2009 Lawyers Convention
FedSoc LiveBlog: Address by Mark Levin, Author of Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto
Nov 14th
Address
4:30 p.m. – 5:30 p.m.
State Room
- Mr. Mark R. Levin, President, Landmark Legal Foundation and Author of Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto
Introduction by Leonard Leo
The Federalist Society is so great the libs made up their own society. What’s it called? The American what?
The key to America’s greatness is the civil society, recognizes individual as unique social order.
The Civil Society hjas a cultural identity of traditions and customs. In the civil society private property and liberty are inseparable.
Property is manifestation of individual’s labor. Just and predictable rule of law undergirds civil society.
Modern liberal is not liberal at all. Classical liberal is opposite of authortarian. Modern liberal is a statist. He promotes a soft tyranny. A statist is at war with the Civil Society. They reject the Declaration of Independence.
Stop giving statists the benefits of the doubt.
Langauge most pernicious tool of the statistis.
Lincoln- “We all proclaim liberty. But we don’ t all mean the same thing.”
And I stopped blogging here. This was an overtly political speech, and was not appropriate for a Federalist Society event. I heard many grumblings in the reception following. I took some video, but not worth the time to publish and post it.
FedSoc LiveBlog: Delaware's New Competition: The Creeping Federalization of American Corporate Law featuring Steven Bainbridge
Nov 14th
Corporations: Delaware’s New Competition: The Creeping Federalization of American Corporate Law
Saturday, Nov. 14
10:45 a.m. – 12:15 p.m.
State Room
- Prof. Stephen M. Bainbridge, William D. Warren Professor of Law, University of California, Los Angeles School of Law
- Mr. Cornish F. Hitchcock, Hitchcock Law Firm PLLC
- Mr. David A. Katz, Partner, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
- Prof. Roberta Romano, Oscar M. Ruebhausen Professor of Law and Director, Yale Law School Center for the Study of Corporate Law
- Moderator: Hon. Thomas M. Hardiman, U.S. Court of Appeals, Third Circuit
Corporations: Delaware’s New Competition: The Creeping Federalization of American Corporate Law
Saturday, Nov. 14 – Hayes Edwards and Joel G. Miller
10:45 a.m. – 12:15 p.m.
State Room
Moderator: Hon. Thomas M. Hardiman, U.S. Court of Appeals, Third Circuit
Prof. Stephen M. Bainbridge, University of California, Los Angeles School of Law
For last 200 yrs in US, corporations have been subject to state governance
Incorporation in one state does not preclude from doing business in another state
This results in competitive federalism, there is competition to attract the most number of corporations
Many regard this as a race to the bottom, by offering managers laws to enrich themselves at expense of investors
Others suggest the race is to minimize needed capital
Others deny that there is a race at all
Delaware has attracted many corporations
Delaware faces a new competitor in the federal government
Corporate governance remained in state control until 2002
Federal control and regulation has increased under Obama Admin
Substantial possibility that there will be permanent federal intrusion into corporate governance
The issues in play, then, are:
1 Say on pay
2 Shareholder access and ability to nominate directors
3 Mandates for majority voting
4 Creation of non-executive chairmen
5 Classified boards of directors
6 Compensation
Bottom line is the environment of horizontal competition between states is being replaced by vertical competition, primarily between the federal government and Delaware
As Fed more willing to intrude in this way, are we more likely to see more efficienct rules or less efficient rules that allow less free for companies
More after the jump.
FedSoc LiveBlog: Telecommunications: Broadband Policy — One Year In
Nov 14th
Telecommunications: Broadband Policy — One Year In
10:45 a.m. – 12:15 p.m.
East Room
- Prof. Marvin Ammori, University of Nebraska-Lincoln College of Law
- Hon. Robert M. McDowell, Commissioner, Federal Communications Commission
- Hon. David M. McIntosh, Partner, Mayer Brown Row & Maw, LLP
- Hon. Kyle E. McSlarrow, President & CEO, National Cable & Telecommunications Association
- Prof. Gigi B. Sohn, President and Founder, Public Knowledge
- Moderator: Hon. Jennifer W. Elrod, U.S. Court of Appeals, Fifth Circuit
Commissioner McDowell – Introductory Remarks
- This year may be busiest year for FCC ever
- In addition to normal duties, stimulus act requires national broadband plan by Feb. 17
- Every aspect of society is affected by the Internet
- Only been privatized 15 years ago, developing very quickly
- Our economy is dependant upon it
- Broadband ubiquity could cost 20 Billion – 350 Billion
- Questions:
- How can the gov’t provide incentives for private sector investment to achieve this goal?
- Is the Internet broken? If so, should the gov’t fix it?
- How has factual landscape changed in recent years?
- Are non-state controlled orgs able to resolve network management problems?
- Can FCC resolve the technical difficulties?
- Will US regulations2 spark international retaliation?
- Will gov’t intervention spark abuse?
- Does the FCC have statutory authority to regulate the Internet?
- What affects will regulation have on the current ecosystem (infrastructure, current investments?
- Remember, regulations on corporations are subject to first-amendment analysis as well. This includes the corporations’ right to free speech.
- 5th amendment issues – depriving corporations’ use of property.
- Let’s hope that what is not broken does not end up broken.
- Let’s hope tat competition is inspired by whatever regulation that is established.
More after the jump.
FedSoc LiveBlog: Showcase Panel IV: Control of the Bureaucracy
Nov 14th
Showcase Panel IV: Control of the Bureaucracy
2:30 p.m. – 4:15 p.m.
State Room
- Prof. Geoffrey P. Miller, Stuyvesant P. Comfort Professor of Law, Director, Center for the Study of Central Banks and Financial Institutions, New York University School of Law
- Hon. Harvey L. Pitt, Chief Executive Officer, Management, Kalorama Partners, LLC
- Hon. Steven Wallman, Chief Executive Officer, Foliofn
- Moderator: Hon. A. Raymond Randolph, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit
Dick Cheney to Judge Randolph: “In Congress it’s not whether you win or lose. It’s how you place the blame.”
FedSoc LiveBlog: Annual Rosenkranz Debate and Luncheon: The United States Constitution Requires Federal Courts to Interpret Statutes as Honest Agents of the Enacting Congress
Nov 14th
Annual Rosenkranz Debate and Luncheon: Statutory Interpretation
RESOLVED: The United States Constitution Requires Federal Courts to Interpret Statutes as Honest Agents of the Enacting Congress
Saturday, Nov. 14
12:30 p.m. – 2:30 p.m.
Grand Ballroom
- Hon. Guido Calabresi, U.S. Court of Appeals, Second Circuit
- Hon. Frank H. Easterbrook, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit
- Moderator: Prof. John F. Manning, Bruce Bromley Professor of Law, Harvard Law School
Easterbrook
Calabresi
Manning-
25 years ago, statutory interpretation was not very important, and received little attention. This topic source of energetic debate. Intentionalists an Purpovists and Textualists
Defend the proposition when interpreting statutes judges should be honest agents of the enacting legislature. Fiathful application of statutes part of our heritage from UK: “judicial power in Article III”
Take care that the laws be “Faithfully” executed. Judges cannot be allowed to depart from faithful execution when the Executive cannot.
The real question: Faithful to the enacting legislature, or to the sitting legislature? Later enacted statues and treat earlier statues as part of common, if not statutory law. (Common law in the age of statues- Calabresi)
1. Our Constitution makes certain procedures essential to law. Majority vote, both houses must enact same text during same session, President must give assent unless override veto. Terms limited to 2, 4,6 years. Judges can’t conceive of legislatures as in perpetual tenure. Only what officials do during their term counts as law. opinion poll is not law, even if poll is 100% sure represents legislature law. West VA v. Casey, litigant argues that if Congress thought of this in 1871, they would have thought of shifting of expert fees. Justices though this exercise illegitimate. Judges are not authorized to engage in this exercise.
Stevens, J. dissent: ” The fact that Congress has consistently provided for the inclusion of expert witness fees in fee-shifting statutes when it considered the matter is a weak reed on which to rest the conclusion that the omission of such a provision represents a deliberate decision to forbid such awards. Only time will tell whether the Court, with its literal reading [n.19] of 1988, has correctly interpreted the will of Congress with respect to the issue it has resolved today.”
THe only will of Congress taht counts is will htat satisifes bicamerlaism and presentment requirements
2. Limiting interpretation to enacting congres. Clauses enacted as package. Arguments that today’s congress would do X, considers that Legislatures would act in that exact way. But if proposal has support, someone always adds amendment. E.g., Stupak Amendment.
Civil Rights of 1991. Justices were sure legislature would overturn the law. Act also changed some decisions that favored plaintiffs, set caps on damage awards. Pro-worker provisions could not have been passed by pro-employer. Any prediction by Judge on one issue would not consider resolution of other issues.
3. Judicial attempts to predict what congress will do is difficult.
Illinois Brick Company v. Illinois, Brennan predicted in dissent Congress would change law, so the Court should allow the law to change without having the Bill go through congress.
“When a Judge says I’m confident today’s congress will propose X, it really means, I favor X”
Guide, and More, after the Jump
FedSoc LiveBlog: Breakdown of the Public-Private Distinction: Implications for the Administrative State
Nov 14th
Administrative Law: Breakdown of the Public-Private Distinction: Implications for the Administrative State
Saturday, Nov. 14
10:45 a.m. – 12:15 p.m.
Chinese Room
Public Corporations regulated by public agencies
Basic regulatory model subject to a variety of regulations that blur line between public and private
First widespread use of government corporations came during WWI, Great Drepression, and WWII
WWII, 58 Gov corporations
Government Corporation Control Act cut back on number of gov corporations and increased transparency and accountability
Government appointed boards of directors. Some designated agencies of United States, some not.
Some owned or controlled by the government.
Line has blurred.
GM & TARP. GM Financial Institution within meaning of TARP.
GM Bailout done on “thinnest of legal reads.” It was rushed and minimal debate.
Executive only stepped in after House bill died.
Clear example of raw executive power with no discernible power.
Looking forward, no guidance in law from government’s ownership of GM. How should gov manage GM? What are rights and duties? Should goal be to maximize taxpayer recover?
This is not the rule of law, but extreme deference to the executive.
More, after the jump.
FedSoc LiveBlog: Showcase Panel III: Regulation of Financial Institutions featuring Judge Jones, Hon. Paul Atkins and Paul Mahoney
Nov 14th
Showcase Panel III: Regulation of Financial Institutions
Saturday, Nov. 14
9:00 a.m. – 10:30 a.m.
Grand Ballroom
- Hon. Paul S. Atkins, Congressional Oversight Panel and Former U.S. SEC Commissioner
- Ms. Stephanie R. Breslow, Partner, Schulte, Roth & Zabel LLP
- Dean Paul G. Mahoney, David and Mary Harrison Distinguished Professor of Law, Arnold H. Leon Professor of Law, University of Virginia School of Law
- Hon. Annette L. Nazareth, Partner, Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP
- Moderator: Hon. Edith H. Jones, U.S. Court of Appeals, Fifth Circuit
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The real way to fix financial institutions:
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Judge Jones, quoting Reagan:
“If it moves, tax it. If it moves too fast, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it.”
Mahoney-
Insufficient or lax regulation was not the cause of financial crisis. Crisis due to mistake in monetary policy. Collapse of tech stops, 9/11, Enron, Feds reduced short-run interest rates.
Taylor rule could be used to predict changes in short-term rates.But feds continued to ease and kept lowering it. At the same time house prices increased dramatically.
Whenever there are long-term short interest rates in high inflation, people will want to buy at short-term rates in hope of quick appreciation and quick profit. Adjustable rate mortgages accomplished this.
Possible explanations-
1. Failure of Consumer Protection- banks tricked customers by offering low teaser rates. But when short term rates unusually low, people wanted to borrow short in order to borrow long. Why were banks so easy to make the loan?
2. Repeal of Glass Steagle by GLB, allowed banks to affiliate with investment firms. Doesn’t explain why commercial and investment banks got into trouble.
3. Executive compensation focus on short term.
More, after the jump.
FedSoc LiveBlog: The Fairness Doctrine featuring Thomas Hazlett and Seton Motley
Nov 14th
Free Speech: The Fairness Doctrine
Friday, Nov. 13
3:15 p.m. – 4:45 p.m.
State Room
- Prof. Thomas W. Hazlett, Professor of Law & Economics, George Mason University
- Mr. Seton Motley, Communications Director, Media Research Center
- Prof. Jamin Ben Raskin, Director, Law and Government Program, Washington College of Law, American University College of Law
- Moderator: Hon. David B. Sentelle, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit
Mr. Seton Motley, Media Research Center
Radio act was designed to regulate transmissions for public and those from ships, etc
No limitations on ideas
-Fairness doctrine rescinded in 1987
-Since it was rescinded, we’ve had a blossoming of new ideas in new forums, which wouldn’t exist without rescinding the doctrine
-You should not apply rules against free speech on one venue and not others
-Going forward we need to be wary of limiting
-The left wants to shut down voices with which they don’t agree. The jig is up
-The battle today is in the concept of media diversity and localism, not the fairness doctrine
(Rebuttal)
Public interest best judged by what the public is interested in
They’ll vote with what they listen to
Liberal radio has failed
The voice of public is being heard because they’re voting with what they listen to
It’s not the case that the people owning the airwaves is the same as the government owning it
Hon. Jamin Ben Raskin, American University Washington College of Law
-Just because everybody’s being treated the same way, it doesn’t mean it fair
-The Fairness Doctrine was Constitutional, but whose values need to be updated for today
-Unfairness doctrine: when public resources are converted to private use
-FCC created to alleviate the problems associated with over-competition in early days of radio
-Broadcasters required by FCC to evenhandedly offer time to groups with differing views
-Supreme Court held that this is a scarce resource, so there’s nothing wrong with placing conditions on its use
-Conservatives don’t seem to care about the “decency” rules
-The policy was Constitutional and warranted, but that doesn’t mean it worked very well
-Enforcement a tough administrative task
-But that doesn’t mean it’s partisan
(Rebuttal)
I consider myself a very strong defender of free speech
Are you arguing for a total deregulation?
If you we’re going to deal with current situation, we need to think about media conglomeration, which poses a greater threat to free speech than the fairness doctrine could
-The right of reply was designed to give people who were attacked an opportunity to respond
-No one is arguing to bring the fairness doctrine back
-This debate is a proxy for current debates about core issues like media conglomeration
Prof. Thomas W. Hazlett, George Mason University School of Law
-Red Lion decision notes that if there had been information that the decision would have a chilling effect, that it would have been decided differently
-Lifting the restraint of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987
-There isn’t really a debate about whether there is a chilling effect associated with the FD
-People who want the fairness doctrine typically say that they want to chill certain views
-The fact that there is a finite number of radio licenses is a complete myth
-They are no different than any other property right
-It’s an imaginary concept that has stumbled all the way to twenty-first century
-Public interest doctrine came directly from the FCC
-Limits on competitive entry helped radio corporations and regulators,
Now it’s time for the first amendment to give the rest of us what we want
-Airwaves should be treated as any other commodity, as private property
-We should turn the FCC into a court, which would rule on property rights
-Cable news looks a lot more like free speech that the 1970s when news came through three lookalikes, whose executives were having dinner at the white house, by the way
FedSoc LiveBlog: Address by Hon. Michael B. Mukasey, Partner, Debevoise & Plimpton and Former U.S. Attorney General
Nov 14th
Address by the Honorable Michael B. Mukasey
2:15 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
Introduction
Tells how Mukasey, before being confirmed as Attorney General, said that if President did anything against Constitution he would tell him to change course or he would quit. So when Congress tried to stop wiretapping, he refused to seek confirmation votes, stating that the statute cannot change the Constitution, which allowed President to defend the nation.
General Mukasey stands to a standing ovation
Commends introducer for fighting against injustice rather than suffering, at considerable expense to himself.
Jokes that he will pick up where he left off last year. (audience laughter)
References the news this morning that principle operative and mastermind of 9/11 will be brought to U.S. to stand trial. He considers the decision to be unwise and shows a refusal to accept that we are at war with a religiously idealistic people determined to kill us.
But first some good news on intelligence gathering:
Amendments passed in 2008 have been beaten back, and intelligence gathering authorities have stayed in place. Foreign security specialists were used to devise plans for tracing international money transfers. DHS said they had used the same type of technique under Bush, what an official called continuity we can believe in. (audience laughter)
More after the jump.
FedSoc LiveBlog: Religious Liberty and the Limits of Government Power featuring Judges Kavanaugh and McConnell and Ira Lupu
Nov 14th
Religious Liberties
- Prof. Alan E. Brownstein, Boochever and Bird Chair for the Study and Teaching of Freedom and Equality, University of California, Davis, School of Law
- Prof. Ira C. “Chip” Lupu, F. Elwood and Eleanor Davis Professor of Law, The George Washington University Law School
- Hon. Michael W. McConnell, Richard and Frances Mallery Professor of Law, Stanford Constitutional Law Center, Stanford Law School
- Moderator: Hon. Brett M. Kavanaugh, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit
Kavanaugh
Understanding the scope of the establishment and free exercise clauses has always confounded us, and we hope the panel today can provide some clarity.
McConnell
I am going to address topics of conventional wisdom that liberal democracy requires secularization, and that our establishment and expression clause are the legal embodiment of that movement. I suggest that is not historically what the 1st amendment was about. Instead it was about preventing the govt. from controlling the formation of public opinion. It is more akin to free enterprise and free press than to any specific secularization impulse.
The founders’ wanted govt. controlled by public opinion, not other way around. Establishment should be close relative of free press clause, to prevent govt. from controlling institutions that form and share opinions. Disestablishment is not aimed at theocracy, but instead govt. control over church for govt.’s own purposes.
Parliament actually authorized the King James Bible. The thirty-nine articles of faith of the Church of England were voted on by Parliament. Church was thoroughly under control of state, which used church as an instrument of social control, to inculcate the idea that good Christian subjects would be obedient to the King.
In US, Church of England was disestablished in every county it was established (every county south of PA). People were taxed to support church and people were required by law to attend church. Govt. in some states controlled who were ministers. This is the type of establishment that the Constitution took aim at.
No public schools until 1830’s so the issue was not even on the table for Founders. Our new America was not going to have any institutions for the control of public opinion.
Disestablishment was based on understanding that separating church and state depended on limited govt. Quotes Loche on boundaries b/t civil govt. and church. Loche’s “wall” b/t church and state was identical to the idea that the proper sphere of govt. is to protect population against domestic and foreign fraud and violence and to maintain order of society, not education, charity, arts, economy. However, once the govt. crosses this boundary, relations b/t church and state become more difficult.
Conflict b/t free exercise and free enterprise. Maybe there should be a free enterprise clause. LOL
Mercantilists believed govt. should control resources of society, much like free exercise leaves religion free of govt. control, b/c religion is more likely to flourish if left alone.
Wealth of Nation’s has a chapter about the establishment of religion. Smith wrote that religious officials whose pay was guaranteed by state would not be as enthusiastic.
Freedom does not depend on limiting religious influences, rather freedom depends on limiting govt. control over religion.
More after the jump.
FedSoc LiveBlog: Wall Street, Labor Unions, and the Obama Administration: A New Paradigm for Capital and Labor?
Nov 14th
Labor: Wall Street, Labor Unions, and the Obama Administration: A New Paradigm for Capital and Labor?
Friday, Nov. 13
12:00 noon – 2:00 p.m.
Chinese Room
- Mr. Harold Meyerson, Editor-at-Large, The American Prospect
- Ms. Amity Shlaes, Senior Fellow for Economic History, Council on Foreign Relations
- Mr. Damon A. Silvers, Associate General Counsel, American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
- Prof. Todd J. Zywicki, Foundation Professor of Law, George Mason University School of Law
- Moderator: Hon. Steven J. Law, Chief Legal Officer and General Counsel, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Moderator: Hon. Steven J. Law opening remarks:
quoted from Amity’s “The Forgotten Man” – likened the current economic decline to the decline of the Great Depression
Mr. Harold Meyerson:
unemployment is up, underemployment is up, people are working fewer hours or lower paid positions than they were before.
in the under 35 population, only 31% feel that they can save money for later; used to be 52%
in the 60+ population, higher % are working than in past years and many are pushing off retirement even further
retirement is becoming a luxury of the elites and unreachable to the average worker
recently there has only be a 5% increase in unionization – it is too hard to unionize in the private sector due to laws that favor private corporations over unions
is there a changing paradigm? He hopes so. He’d like to see greater enforcement of the minimum wage laws and enactment of laws more favorable to unionization so the youth entering the work force can
if we continue to slip behind, we will no longer be the world power we have been used to
Ms. Amity Shlaes:
in 1937 song “Nice work if you can get it” gives insight into the conditions of the Great Depresion
that was a reference to prostitution, but the song caught on and is romanticized
late 30’s created a new social divide – the depression had lasted too long – what explains the longevity?
the labor price was too high
in the 20’s companies faced with economic decline either laid off workers or cut wages – when the economy lifted, they hired back workers and providing raises again
in 1929, President Hoover encouraged companies to keep wages high so that workers would have money to spend
companies who laid off were more hesitant to rehire back
the Wagner Act caused wages to increase
the country saw a depression within a the Great Depression
the plan was perverse – wages were 20% higher than they should be based on trend
unionization in the 30’s did not help labor – it helped some workers – overall work hours were down (fewer were getting paid, fewer were employed) and wages were up (for the few who were employed, they had more money than the market trend)
are we headed to a new paradigm? fears that we are following the old paradigm with regard to labor-price matters
proposed a new song title “Nice economy if we can get it”, but we can’t
Mr. Damon A. Silvers:
all kinds of arguments about history are possible when those who lived it are dead
he sees 4 big problems that have to be addressed:
- wage-productivity gap. post-war America wages and productivity were tied tightly together until the 80’s when they separated. they were tied again briefly in the 90’s, but separated again. the equation is complicated by wages in the form of healthcare insurance, but that high cost to employers is barely an increase in wage to employees since that itself is an overinflated cost. Understanding the gap is crucial to understanding the pressures on modern employees.
- structural trade deficit. China’s money is pegged to the U.S. dollar – this is not an accurate picture of worth. they lend us money, we purchase imports from them, they lend us more. the “compression of global risk spreads” is problematic. Risky lending without charging a premium for the risk leads to inaccurately priced loans.
- financialization of our economy. financial activity is an intermediate function and should not be 40% of our economic base. quotes the President of the AFL-CIO as saying “finance should be the servant to the economy, not its master.”
- our approach to energy. both a big problem and an opportunity. our energy use policies are not sustainable, but there is the opportunity to take the lead in developing new energy policy.
How do we relate this to capital, labor, and government?
labor and business have a joint interest in solving – we need a solution that is viable in a global economy – other nations increasingly are gaining a comparative advantage in various industries
we have to ask ourselves, what kind of society do we want to live in? what are the outcomes of the changes of the 1930’s?
the social conflict that is engendered by labor-market flexibility is undesirable and dangerous
these changes are not how you would want society to be founded
we need a strategy to deal with these 4 structural problems
he hopes the Obama administration is attempting to do that, but is unsure that the political system is prepared to accept a solution
Prof. Todd J. Zywicki:
Fears that we are entering a new paradigm that will lead to long term stagnation, social inequity, and decline
the paradigm threatens the rule of law specifically regarding contracts and property law
threatens the rule of law:
demonstrated by the Chrysler case – he is disgusted by this case
the lynch pin of bankruptcy has always been that the priority goes to the secure creditor
in Chrysler, secured creditors received 29¢ to the dollar, while the UAW received 50¢ to the dollar
the UAW essentially stole money from the secured creditors (rousing applause)
perhaps even more distasteful is the way the government played a role in Chrysler
banks who were on TARP basically rolled over and allowed the demise of those who were not – they were safe because they were on “government welfare” – they acted in “moral cowardice”
as soon as we start the game of allowing some emergencies to overrule property rights, we lose the rule of law
threatens the economy:
there is an increased risk of lending and additionally have to consider the political risk
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124217356836613091.html
if dealing with a company with political risk, and they have credit problems, and can’t get private loans, the government will have to bail them out again
Fannie & Freddy are prime examples
when corporate giants become too big to fail, they gain the comparative advantage over everyone else because they don’t have to worry about financing – they know the government will have to bail them
if the top 10 are too big to fail, what happens to number 11? obviously they merge with another smaller company in attempt to become one of the top 10 – perverse incentive to rent sharing
long term threat to free enterprise
President Obama is obviously not an economist – when he learned about Public Choice, but he must have mistaken what he was taught – Public Choice theory is a cautionary tale, not a how-to manual
what is perhaps most pernicious is the rent extortion the government is engaged in by using politics to play corporations against each other
what is essentially happening is the government is saying to corporations “we have a right to destroy you, and you have a right to buy back your life”
wrap up:
Ms. Amity Shlaes:
(regarding a question comparing the U.S. unemployment to Europe)
“Why do we want to be like Europe where you has no future?”
remarks on the posttests in France over labor law and the response was to say that the youth cannot have what their parents had – this points to the very problem of a social welfare system – it denies the youth that which they are most entitled to: economic growth and prosperity in their own lives
Prof. Todd J. Zywicki:
it all comes to basic economics
in a recession, either have to cut wages or cut employees – there are only 2 options – you cannot both keep the employees and continue to pay them the same wages
unions create economic rents – just look at the number of discrimination cases from the 1950’s where a union is the defendant – initially unions were run based on favors and who knew who
since 1963, women who had been excluded through the union networks entered the work force
Ms. Amity Shlaes:
If past is prologue:
in the 1950’s we were the only power around – there were no economic challenges – we were protected – that’s why there was no disparity between wages and productivity
so, how do we deal with that now? protectionism is not the answer
freedom, education, and freedom to become educated are the answers
the teachers union is the union to support above all
FedSoc LiveBlog: Re-Privatization of the Financial Sector featuring John A. Allison and William Black
Nov 13th
Financial Services: Re-Privatization of the Financial Sector
Friday, Nov. 13
12:00 noon – 2:00 p.m.
East Room
- Mr. John A. Allison, Chairman, BB&T Corporation and Distinguished Professor of Practice, Wake Forest University School of Business
- Prof. William Black, Associate Professor of Economics and Law, University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law
- Mr. Michael Paese, Director of Government Affairs, Goldman Sachs
- Mr. Alex J. Pollock, Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
- Mr. Andrew J. Redleaf, Founding Partner and Chief Executive Officer, Whitebox Advisors LLP
- Moderator: Hon. Jerry E. Smith, U.S. Court of Appeals, Fifth Circuit
Smith, Moderator
Starting in 2008, govt. took unprecedented steps to intervene in financial sector.
Amount of credit risks borne by taxpayers has risen dramatically over the last year. As we recover, the question is when to re-privatize.
Pollock
After quoting Hobbes, he asks how we can put the large “leviathan” we have created “on a diet.”
First TARP: equity investments in over 600 companies. Is there hope it can withdraw? Govt. likes having expanded control over financial entities.
Quotes Jesse Jones, who ran RFC in the 30’s and “insisted it be operated on a business basis.” Pollock thinks this role as a fiduciary for the taxpayers is a good idea.
The investments in Freddie and Fannie (F&F) seems to be a dead loss. They must be broken into 3 pieces: dead loss; a truly-private mortgage finance business; and a truly-govt. entity requiring congressional appropriations for whatever it does.
Fed’s balance sheet, which is mostly the balance sheet of the Fed Reserve Bank of NY, looks remarkably like a commercial bank’s balance sheet. Deposits at Fed are higher than $1 trillion, which is the equivalent of putting money in the mattress.
I propose Fed should have negative interest rates in excess reserves. This would encourage private banks to do something else with the money, so maybe the Fed would have to buy fewer commercial assets.
FDIC has liability that exceeds its assets, so it wants all available capital to new banks to be enforced, but we need the opposite. To encourage the idea we need banks to be unencumbered by TARP, regulation, etc. This could help Leviathan lose a few lbs.
Black
Opens with a joke about there being two refugees from federal loan bank system at one end of the table.
I want to concentrate on uninsured portion of financial industry: mortgage bankers. They followed 4 step plan: Grow like crazy, make terrible loans, leverage out the wazoo (sp?), and put no loss reserves on the books. If you do all 4 you are guaranteed to report record profits, no risk, guaranteed as long as bubble is inflating.
If I want to grow rapidly, the standard way is to buy market share by reducing your yield. But, if I grow by making loans to people who can’t repay I can expand demand rapidly and charge them premium interest rates.
Then you must gut underwriting standards and change organization so the rules are that anything goes, instead of encouraging people to block bad loans. People were actively discouraged if they raised objections on loan quality.
This produces bizarre results. Genius of voluntary exchange is that both parties benefit… this is pretty darn good. But, we have the reverse occurring. Both principles were made worse off. No mortgage bankers exist anymore, essentially. People who received loans took a big hit too. There has been no greater destruction of working class wealth than bringing them into houses they cannot afford at the absolute top of a bubble. They are virtually all under water on mortgages from 2005-2007. We showed Gresham’s Law.
Gresham’s dynamic hurts the traditional values and entire moral tenor of business. This is not deposit insurance. What makes mortgage bankers for almost ten years make loans that would destroy the institution? (open question to audience, no takers).
How many agree this is strong evidence against Community Reinvestment Act? (10 hands for, 0 against). No coincidence the “liar loans” were made by this portion of the market.
Allison
We need to understand the cause of financial problems
- Crisis is result of govt. policies. U.S. is mixed economy, which varies by industry. Most regulated part of the economy caused our problems… not a coincidence
- Bubble formed and grew and then affected other areas.
- Market participants made serious errors that made crisis worse.
If highway is falling down, government owns it. If financial system is falling, government owns it.
Getting rid of normal, cyclical failures pushes the problems into the future.
Greenspan created a negative real interest rate: rate of inflation higher than interest rate. Bernanke then created an inverted yield curve: short term rates are higher than long term rates – very destructive for banks.
FDIC seems benign but it creates loss of discipline. Gives examples.
Clinton allowed F&F to have half their portfolios in housing market, which woried economists, who said reaching these goals could take out the financial system within 10 years…
F&F could never exist in free market and drove everyone out of prime business, then created broken model, which spilled into capital markets and people copied this model.
Barney Frank is mentioned and some groans and boos can be heard.
So what is the cure? Yes, market participants who screwed up should face consequences, but a better long-term strategy would be to move to private backed banking system based on private monetary system. We should go back to gold standard – it’s harder to find, you can’t just print it (crowd laughs).
We will eventually go bankrupt, there is no reason to believe politicians will impose discipline – this is the real risk of having a Federal Reserve.
We should raise capital requirements for banks, shift risk from taxpayers to shareholders. Choice would be raise capital or shrink. Citigroup has failed to raise capital and been bailed out three times, and each time they’ve come back and done worse.
We need to eliminate about 90% of regulations – this is what makes system so inefficient.
(Prolonged applause, he was definitely a crowd favorite.)
Redleaf
4 points:
- I see this story as a about a dozen “too big to fail” institutions, about 12 – F&F at the top and Goldman at the bottom.
- We’ve mostly had a policy of “strategic ambiguity” toward too big to fail institutions. We have been deliberately ambiguous about who would get what help in what circumstances. Term used now is “effectively guaranteed,” but what does this mean?
- Disclosure in financial sector is absolutely horrible. Where to start? Bear Sterns’ income statement was about 10 lines long – we don’t know much about their assets. Publishing would put the taxpayer at disadvantage, they said. But they had term financing as long as they need it, so there’s no reason they couldn’t provide line-by-line detail.
- The root of the solution is disclosure, commensurate with public involvement in financial institutions. Move away from strategic ambiguity toward explicitly unguaranteed or explicitly guaranteed money.
Federalist Society LiveBlog: Interview with Professor David Bernstein, Author of Rehabilitating Lochner
Nov 13th
One of my favorite Professors from GMU, David Bernstein, was kind enough to give me a few moments of his time.
Definitely check out his new book, Rehabilitating Lochner, coming soon. It will show you that everything you thought about Lochner was wrong. And maybe give you a new found distaste for healthful bread.
Federalist Society LiveBlog: Interview with Judge O'Scannlain
Nov 13th
I am a huge Judge O’Scannlain fan, and his opinion in Nordyke v. King was fantastic. Especially footnote 6 regarding Privileges or Immunities. In an interview I performed with Professor Richard Epstein yesterday, Epstein said that Judge O’Scannlain’s opinion was the best 2nd Amendment incorporation case. I concur.
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FedSoc LiveBlog: Showcase Panel: Bailouts and the Government as Insurer of Last Resort
Nov 13th
Showcase Panel II: Bailouts and the Government as Insurer of Last Resort
Friday, Nov. 13
10:15 a.m. – 12:00 noon
Grand Ballroom
- Hon. C. Boyden Gray, Gray & Schmitz LLP and Former U.S. Ambassador to the European Union
- Mr. Maurice R. Greenberg, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, C.V. Starr & Co., Inc.
- Dr. Robert D. McTeer, Distinguished Fellow, National Center for Policy Analysis
- Hon. Steven Wallman, Chief Executive Officer, Foliofn
- Moderator: Hon. Janice Rogers Brown, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit
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Gray
Government inviting rent seeking to extort the government leads to need for bailout. Adam Smith supports this. Adam Smith originally a moralist, not an economist.
If you were a homeowner, would you sell a mortgage to someone you knew couldn’t pay you back? No, not deliberately, unless govt. told you to with an offer to insure you.
The govt. then allowed the loans to be packaged into products and gave them good ratings and sold to more unsuspecting people. The govt. promised to make the money available and pick you up if you default.
Adam Smith would not tolerate this. Some say he didn’t understand human nature so we have to surround his views with a better sensitivity and how to control greed.
I would argue that this turns AS on his head, b/c he saw a community sense of people and individuals, but govt. will interrupt this.
AS’s first book was on morals, not economics. His idea, or building block, was the ability for man to be part of a community. It was seen as a gloss on the golden rule. He did not tolerate businessmen: “No two businessmen could ever get together without some capture of public interest or plan to raise prices.”
Looking at recent history, maybe he knew something… He would have opposed bailouts
I was at Munich meeting of UN Security Conference and was told that no two economists could ever agree on what caused Great Depression so it would be a waste to look for causes of the recent crisis. So I asked if we are then writing thousands of pages of legislation to fix something we cant’ identify?
We will not break up the big banks, while Europe did so.
We need to figure out what we’re doing before we try to fix a regulatory structure that likes bailouts and perpetuates moral hazard.
Greenberg
(on the phone)
Discussing AIG bailout.
As many people know, AIG raised questions we don’t have answers too, and there needs to be such answers to set the record straight.
Not bailing out AIG bailout would have shown that you have the right to succeed and fail. Failure would be Ch. 11 and then back to business.
McTeer
The case for bailouts is usually systemic risk, and the case against it is that saving management and owners from consequences of bad decisions creates moral hazard. In most so-called bailouts of 2008, top decision makers were not saved, they lost their jobs and their wealth. It wasn’t “heads I win tails you lose.”
Many who were saying of Lehman Bros. “let them fail,” later saw Lehman failure as the worst part of the crisis.
I’m not sure system could survive many more failures like this, which cost me about 30% of my “little” portfolio.
Under the circumstances, it worked well for 600 banks who held Mortgage backed assets. Congress has used this as a pretext to expand government power under the worst populist sentiments. The public regards TARP as the govt. spending their money to support evil doers.
The Fed’s extraordinary lending last year is more likely to earn a net profit for taxpayers. Skeptics take for granted that federal money will be highly complacent, but I doubt it.
Banks are scared of debt so they are holding the excess of the govt. money.
During Depression, reserve requirements for bank was increased, so banks contracted credit first. Turned out that excess reserves were not considered excess by the banks. They wanted extra cushion against uncertainty. Today’s banks are holding the excess reserves voluntarily, for the exact same reason. Stimulus problem is like hunting wild hog with a shotgun, too diffuse, not focused. It was old fashioned spending, “money spent money gone.”
Debt is head from 40% GDP to about twice that in a few years. Raising taxes on weak economy is a danger that helped exacerbate the Depression. We are on a slipper slope to Smoot-Hawley, see Mexican trucks.
Wallman
So how do we regulate? The question has always been regulation or not, but how to get good regulation. We must ask, if we are going to have regulation and market failure, how it can be done best.
The idea of millions of homeowners all buying into the same idea at the same time and being given the same credit terms looked like genius at the time by the banks, but what you end up with is “too big to fail” made up of millions of homeowners. It is not simply an issue of large amounts of company stock. We need to rethink regulatory apparatus in this light.
Some current ideas are interesting: many people dislike them, mostly bankers.
Lots of homeowners signed up for things they didn’t understand. They also didn’t realize that no one was looking out to make sure their home was available for assistance.
We can learn from this about how systemic risk is generated: If you can stop homeowners at the time from getting sub-primes you can eliminate part of the cause that creates too big to fail. Interconnectedness must be evaluated
We are not there yet, we need to study evolution and common law.
FedSoc LiveBlog: Constitutional Interpretation & the Bill of Rights featuring Burt Neuborne and Randy Barnett
Nov 13th
Constitutional Interpretation & the Bill of Rights
Friday, Nov. 13
9:00 a.m. – 10:00 a.m.
Grand Ballroom
- Presentation: Prof. Burt Neuborne, Inez Milholland Professor of Civil Liberties, Legal Director, Brennan Center for Justice, New York University School of Law
- Commentary: Prof. Randy E. Barnett, Carmack Waterhouse Professor of Legal Theory, Georgetown University Law Center
- Moderator: Hon. Diarmuid F. O’Scannlain, U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit
Judge O’Scannlain introduced panelists
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(Professor Neuborne)
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(Professor Barnett)
Neuborne
We tend to tear words and clauses out of the Constitution and look at them in isolation (originalism, purposivism). Treat Bill of Right as reading random splatter. Reading it that way misses extraordinary aspect of founder’s genius. Unlike any other document in history, within its four corners, structural coherence that teaches us how to live in a tolerant and free democracy, both horizontally and vertically. Changes commitment to document if we looked at it that way, and changes how we look at cases.
Have you ever read Bill of Rights or entire Constitution as a coherent document? You would read the entirety of a poem to capture its ethos. Bill of rights looked at that way has remarkable coherence.
Why is Fourth Amendment after Second and before Eight? Why does it end with 10th and end with the First? [The first Amendment was originally Third] The first amendment protects the ideal commonwealth.
Next 9 amendments list risks and dangers to ideal commonwealth in the First Amendment. 2nd and 3rd deal with military overthrows. 4-8 deals with chronological development of law enforcement. Maybe it is random, but no other document has those rights in such an order. Madison’s genius not substantive, it was structural. adison’s capacity to see structural blueprint to create toelrant democratic society form a series of dangers that are placed in crhonological order of magnitude.
Why close with 9th and 10th? Founders did what you would expect brilliant people to do. They are cannons of construction. They tell us how to read the documents. Brittish Parliamentary Tradition- Equity of the statutes (expanded text analogically and filled lucanae with nontextual expansion), and inclusio unius (if not in text you cannot expand it).
9th- When rights are at stake- equity of the statutes is permissible. Fill the gaps.
10th amendment- When powers at stake, inclusio unius applies, must stay within the text
Broad reading of rights and narrow reading of powers more important than actual rights in BOR. This is the vertical reading of the BOR. It tells a coherent story.
Horizontal Coherence
First Amendment has 6 ideas- establishment, free exercise, speech, press, assemble, petition. Series of concentric circles from inner realm of human conscience . First amendment gives life cycle of the person. Begin in human conscience and move in concentric circles to law (petition).
Freedom of association is not in text of Constitution, Harlan dropped it in. Harlan acting in ethos of 9th amendment, and can use equity of statute to look at Amendment and using techniques of Brittish Lawyers to fill the lacunae with something compatible and logical and necessary to full enjoyment of the text. Conservatives tend to accept freedom of association because it is fill out blank in First Amendment with power from 9th to construe broadly, but not entirely, due to equity of the statute.
“I never finish in time. When the Grim Reaper comes for me, I will ask for a few more minutes.”
Barnett
Explaining order of Amendments and Clauses are ingenious.
Original public meaning originalism. Difference between Constitutional Interpretation and Constitutional Construction.
Interpreting text of Constitution involves ascertaining its meaning. Interpretation attempts to identify information included in this text.
Original public meaning interpretation seeks information it conveyed to general public at the time it was enacted. Originalists may disagree how this inquiry is supposed to be conducted, but all share common question; ascertain information conveyed by text in context at the time it was enacted. Originalists convey that text may be insufficient to resolve case or controversy.
Constitutional construction- puts info text does convey into action.
Regulations about time, place, and manner do not improperly abridge freedom of speech, but coordinate the right. These rules cannot be found in the First Amendment. This is Constitutional Law, as opposed to the Constitution itself. If it cannot be deduced from the text, most of what the Court does is actually construction and not interpreation.
You are in the “Construction Zone,” where info provided by text has run out (Solum). Claim that Judges should let elected branches decided if text is silent is a form of Constitutional construction, because it is no where in the text.
How should one do constitutional construction? Depends on extratextual theory of Constitutional legitimacy; what makes Constitution binding. If legitimacy is based on original or ongoing consent of people, adopt a different concept, or if you beleive legitimacy is based on procedural method.
Holistic reading of BOR is interpretive if it reveals or uncovers original meaning of the text that is part of its public meaning. Ninth amendment refers to rights, and 10th amendment refers to powers.
Holistic approach interpretive if it resolves questions of ambiguity. Arms in 2nd amendment can refer to weapons or limbs. Rendering abstract term more specific in context than it may appear.
Due process may be vague, due process of law may be less vague. Juxtaposition with Priv or Immun or Equal Protection makes it less vague.
Since Constitutional construction is inevitable, wholism provides a good approach. But no normative justification why we should adopt holistic approach. The burden is no him before we adopt his approach.
A holistic approach intriguing way to decide text, but no reason wy we should interpet it like that when text runs out.
The danger, in various places, approach is neither to interpret or construct text, but instead uses it to contradict or supercede the text.
His approach- 2nd amendment to keep and bear arms as protecting individual right to serve in armed forces or local police forces analogous to militia. But this is not at all what the text says. Reason for rejecting individual rights treatment of 2nd amendment unpersuasive. This is just the standard approach to evade, rather than apply the meaning of the text.
1. Start with the text of the speech to discern the principles that underling the word.
2. Take principles, and apply to cases or controversies. Abandon and leave behind text and adopt principles. Black in Griswold- most effective way of diluting constitutional right is to substitute another word more or less restrictive in meaning. During Reconstruction clause, evaded meaning of amendments, leading to Plessy. When you plunge beneath surface of text to understand principles, and then apply it to the text. Not substitute to the text. To be faithful to elegant structure of BOR, use text as he finds, not the lovely poem he wishes it to be.
Neuborne Reply
People at ratifying convention looked at entire document. Need to recapture the psychology of people creating the founding document. Best way to recapture psychology is by reading the whole. If you rank the ways Judges make decisions, no hesitation to debate the holistic readings is the best way to do that, and the way to do that most respectful of the text.
Holistic reading subverts, or goes beyond a construction of the text, most controversial aspects.
He deploys only when respect for the text would mean the text would drift away. 250 years have left the text without contemporary meaning, and giving original meaning would give it absurd meaning.
2nd amendment anachronistic. Can’t use handguns and rifles to defend against standing army. [One word. Fallujah]
Militia has morphed into police and citizens army. Purely on the merits, looking at holistically, protects against unrepresentative bodies of armed coercion to single out people.
O’Scannlain asks about Incorporation.
Neuborne says it will be incorporated against the states. Its too important.
Neuborne noted that subsequent amendments should be read to modify Bill of Rights.
Questions
Pics and Video after the Jump
FedSoc LiveBlog: Civil Rights – Affirmative Action in the Obama Era
Nov 12th
Civil Rights: Affirmative Action in the Obama Era
Thursday, Nov. 12
3:45 p.m. – 5:15 p.m.
East Room and State Room
- Ms. Shirley J. Wilcher, Executive Director, American Association for Affirmative Action
- Prof. Theodore M. Shaw, Professor of Professional Practice, Columbia University School of Law
- Ms. Linda L. Chavez, Chairman, Center for Equal Opportunity
- Hon. Peter N. Kirsanow, Commissioner, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
- Moderator: Hon. Carlos T. Bea, U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit
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Ms. Linda L. Chavez, Center for Equal Opportunity
When I saw “This Week” on abc, I was very concerned along with many Americans about the motives
of the alleged crimes of the Fort Hood attacks
-Did the army drop the ball in failing to investigate activities of Officer Hasan
General George Casey: What happened is a tragedy. I think it would be a greater tragedy if
“diversity became a tragedy” there too.
It is an attack, not a tragedy, for a military officer to kill fellow soldiers
General Casey should be fired for his statements, but he won’t be, because the “diversity at any cost”
rationale epitomizes a double standard in judging individuals
What we are really saying is that protecting diversity is more important than protecting lives, and if
that’s the case the world has gone mad.
It’s this idea of diversity that permeates every institution in American life.
We’ve become inured to the idea that this perspective is offensive
The Obama admin has also clearly signaled a change from Bush in “disparate impact”
-The admin has filed a case challenging the physical ability test of Mass prison guards on basis of
sex-discrimination.
-The test is based on activities, which simulate on-the-job duties
Some of us hoped that in voting in a new president we would get back to the original idea behind Civil
right legislation
This administration is promoted to diversity no matter what the cost.
More after the jump
FedSoc LiveBlog: Federalism and the Economic Crisis featuring John C. Eastman, Malcolm M. Feeley, and Ilya Somin
Nov 12th
Federalism: Federalism and the Economic Crisis 3:45 p.m. – 5:15 p.m. Grand Ballroom
- Dean John C. Eastman, Dean and Donald P. Kennedy Chair in Law, Chapman University School of Law
- Prof. Malcolm M. Feeley, Claire Sanders Clements Dean’s Chair Professor of Law, University of California Berkeley School of Law, Boalt Hall
- Prof. Roderick M. Hills, William T. Comfort, III Professor, New York University School of Law
- Prof. Ilya Somin, George Mason University School of Law
Moderator: Hon. Jeffrey S. Sutton, U.S. Court of Appeals, Sixth Circuit
John Eastman
Discussing spending clause, and need to have it related to enumerated power. Spending had to be for general welfare, not local or regional welfare. General meant national welfare, like common defense.
President would veto bills in 19th Century as unconstitutional that spent on local concerns.
Malcolm Feeely
They need someone from Berkeley and John Yoo is too busy working for John Eastman.
Brutus warned people to be aware of Federalist 78.
Federalism is not a viable idea in modern administrative state, and almost all federalism doctrine is incoherent.
Federalism is just a euphemism for decentralization
Ilya Somin
Judge Sutton zings him for going to Amherst, #2 to Williams.
Discussing his article about Federalism and Star Trek.
Consider the impact of federalism on the current economic crisis. He will suggest there are 2 ways the current crisis poses a threat. Reliance of state govs on federal funds, and expansion of federal regulations.
Why should we care which functions federalism prefers? We should value decentralization. Much of beneficial decentralization can only be achieved if we have constitutional and other structural constraints on the Federal Gov.
We want federalism to protect diversity of policy in a large nation with diverse interests. Need decentralization of authority to achieve some of that.
Diversity and competition promotes innovation and better policy. If states compete for labor and capital, incentive to adopt better policies. Enable people to vote with their feet and at the ballot box. Foot voting ahs important benefits over ballot box voting. With ballot box voting we tend to be rationally ignorant. Little chance vote can change the outcome, not much of an incentive.
Economic crisis has expanded federal power. States reliant on federal grants for revenue sources
If you can get money from federal sugar daddy, why get it from states?
Federal policies requires states to follow certain policies, decreases range of issues to engage in competition and innovation. Grants unlikely to be rolled back after crisis ends. Just because crisis ends doesn’t mean states won’t continue to lobby.
General welfare clause does not mean whatever Congress said it mean. Pessimistic court will roll it back. Courts are moving further in wrong direction.
Easier to bribe states through spending clause than through commandeering.
Roderick M. Hills
Federal courts can’t and shouldn’t and don’t need to impose limits on Congress’s spending clause power.
There are constitutional limits on spending power, and are rooted in general welfare clause, but have never been enforced by Courts, they have been enforced by President.
6th Circuit case discussing No Child Left Behind, split 8-8. (Judge Sutton is on the panel).
Judge Sutton, Moderating
Why can’t there be a judicially enforced federalism?
Feeley- Political problem, political will. not a federal system in the world that has a judicially enforced federalism system.
Somin- general welfare cannot be read so broadly to subsume common defense clause. Judges often vote their policy preferences, but over time as we develop a precedent, there can be a cross-ideological agreement.
Question- There are no interest groups in favor of federalism? States do not want federalism. Interest groups do not want it.
Hills- I do want federalism, but spending clause takes care of itself.
Somin- 17th amendment did not destroy Senators. Most states had committed to have popular election of senators. State legislatures like federal funds, have reasons to support expansion of federal power, not obvious that popularly elected senators, many of whom are bad people, may not represent federalist needs.
Ron Rotunda Question- States cannot turn down money. In stimulus bill, state legislature can override Governor’s veto. Governor from South Carolina turned it down, but then he went on a vacation to Argentina.
Feely- No one would fight for their state. Sutton: Ever go to a Ohio State/Michigan Game?
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